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of this week. meanwhile, the nra is losing friends fast. >> there have been 70, 70, episodes of school shootings in the united states, since 1994. >> 54% favor stricter gun control laws. >> do we worry about dropping our kids off at school now? >> i don't know anybody that needs 30 rounds and a clip to go hunting. >> these 30 rounds of ammunition. >> assault magazines, we have got to call them what they are. >> i don't know why, do you need that? we have seen this movie before. >> what is wrong with the congress? >> gun lobbies will say listen we have a score card here. >> the nra pours money into these races. >> you better score an a or we're going to come and defeat you. >> how long can we sustain that action? >> it is the same mentality that drove the grover norquist pledge. >> are we prepared to say we're powerless? >> we can't tolerate this anymore. >> so far republicans have stayed quiet. >> not a time to put americans through more stress. >> john boehner proposed his fiscal cliff plan b. >> plan b. >> i would call it plan befuddled rejected it. >> there is still hope for a large
20 children and six adults were massacred by a gunman in their school the nra demands armed guards be deployed over tory school in this country by january saying the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. after promising meaningful contributions to ensure mass shootings don't happen again the organization's ceo blamed the media, video games, mental health policy, the lack of funding from the federal government. >> the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> through the course of his half hour statement where he took no questions from the media, he was interrupted twice by protesters he never acknowledged. >> nra stop killing our children. it's the nra and the assault weapons that's killing our children. not armed teachers. we got to end the violenc
the buyer being subject to a background check. even nra members, 74% of nra members and 89% of all gun owners want background checks before anybody can get a gun, so the men and women in congress have to stiffen their backs, not be afraid of the organization the nra, because the members of the nra are better than the organization, and it's time for us to act finally once and for all. >> howard, your boss, mayor michael bloomberg, has been leading the charge on gun control throughout the year. he was on "meet the press" yesterday and had strong words calling on the president to exhibit leadership on the issue. i think there is a sense nationally that this time is different. we just talked to chris jansing on the ground in newtown, but that there is -- that i think for folks who have wanted to see reform on our nation's gun laws, that this could be an inflexion point. does the mayor share that feeling? >> he hopes so. you know, i may be alone in this, but i am just no longer comforted by comforting words. i feel like as the governor said, you know, we've become very good at doing these m
in the new year with no fiscal deal? details ahead. >>> and the nra calls for security guards at every school. what you didn't hear on the statement from the pro-gun group. >>> holiday havoc. slow go in parts of the country and in some places it could get worse. >>> pennies and nickels, worth the cost? >>> good morning, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." what is happening out there. ten days and counting. president obama and house speaker boehner left washington without reaching a deal on the fiscal cliff. before heading to hawaii, president obama said he met individually with leaders of the house and senate, asking them to work toward a package that prevents a tax hike on middle class americans. >> this is something within our capacity to solve. it doesn't take that much work. we just have to do the right thing. so call me a hopeless optimist, but i still think we can get it done. >> earlier in the day, speaker boehner held a news conference. a vote on his so-called plan "b" was scrapped thursday night when it became clear it did not have enough support among house republicans to secure p
in the statement by the nra earlier this week. president obama weighed in with a web address on the topic this morning. >> if we're going to succeed it's going to take a sustained effort from mothers and fathers, daughters and sons, law enforcement and responsible gun owners organizing, speaking up, calling their members of congress as many times as it takes, standing up and saying, enough on behalf of all of our kids. >> nbc national investigative correspondent michael isikoff joins me now from the site of the nra press briefing. mike, what do we expect to hear from wayne laperriere? obviously a very sort of brief statement released earlier in the week. any indication what he is going to say and how? >> well, i think we got one indication just a few moments ago when david keen the president of the nra came out and asked everybody assembled to join in that moment of silence for the victims of newtown. i think that is a recognition that the nra realizes that this is a major moment in which the public is engaged on this issue in a way it never has before. the specter of innocent children be
happened a week ago today. the nra is due to make its first official statement in about half an hour. we'll have that for you live. a moment of silence for the 26 victims was held at 9:30 this morning all across the country. >>> that is the newtown united methodist church where bells tolled 26 times. fire fighters were overcome with emotion during the moment of silence at the newtown fire house and many had responded to the scene at the school a week ago. a large group gathered in prayer at the national cathedral in washington, d.c. the nasdaq put up a sign that said moment for sandy hook on their digital display outside the building. [ female announcer ] food, meet flavor. flavor, meet food. it's time for swanson flavor boost. concentrated broth in easy to use packets. mix it into skillet dishes, for an instant dose of... hell-o! [ female announcer ] get recipes at flavorboost.com. hell-o! excuse me, sir i'm gonna have to ask you to power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really?
association's proposal in response to last week's deadly attack in nu oun. the nra says more schools should have guards armed with guns of their own. nbc justice correspondent pete williams says s in washington for more on this. can you break down the nra's solution? >> the nra says the answer to combating school violence is simple. it says banks, power plarngts congress, and the president are protected with armed security and the nation's schools should be guarded that way, too. after a week of calls for tighter gun restrictions and signs of a possible shift in public attitudes, about access to the weapons like the rifle used in connecticut, the national rifle association instead called for putting more armed security officers in the nation's schools. the. >> the onlying that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> reporter: the nra's wayne la pierre says children in most schools are defenseless because the schools proclaim to be places without guns. >> they tell every insane killer in america that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk. >>
on guns will kick off a new fight in washington. the nra spent $18.6 million supporting and opposing candidates during the 2012 cycle. according to the sun life found case, 51% of the numbers of the new congress have received funding from the national rifle association's political action committee at some point in their political careers. the nra is known for staying silent, running out the clock after tragedies like the one in newtown but yesterday there was a sign that they may be feeling more political pressure than ever before and from the changing tone around the country. group released a statement saying, "they are shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the newtown tragedy." out of respect for the families and as a matter of common decency we have given time for morning prayer and a full consideration of the facts before commenting. the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to make sure this never happens again. the nra also announced a major news conference in the washington, d.c. area on friday. they didn't say where. while the nra spent several days mostly quiet, n
of the first nra supporter who is came out earlier this week and said that something needed to change. he is now saying i am not supporting a ban on anything. i am supporting a conversation on everything. he went on to say i can't say yes or no to any of these things. senator praised at the beginning of the week and at this point saying i am not supporting a ban on anything and said he was proud of the nra for offering to have a statement here on friday. is this what you talk about when you refer to the politics of gun control in this country. this gamesmanship as it seems? >> sure. gamesmanship is part of the political process. it teams to me that the senator is holding his cards close to his vest. he doesn't want to be in a position to say yes, he support this is or opposes that. there is no good reason for him to offer policy matters until vice president biden's commission delivered the report and we have a series of concrete proposals that are off to the congress shortly after they convene at the start of january. >> the senator said no hunter needs an assault rifle. the people said h
's the one thing that would keep people safe. the nra would try to do that. there monsters out there every day and we need to do something to stop it. a gun is a tool. the problem is the criminal. >> that's the best, i guess, of nr a's ceo. after the press conference friday, he had another strike out on "meet the press." a house democrat is backing a package that pushes background checks on gun buyers and those on the terrorist watch list. from buying and owning guns. yeah. right now that is actually legal. in addition, the bill would require gun owners to report lost or stolen weapons and make it harder to carry permits. do you notice what's missing from the list? armed guards at the school. with matt miller, we will talk about all of this. matt, republican pollster was on cbs talking about wayne la pierre and i want to listen to the comments and get your take. >> i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not every human being should own a gun. not every gun should be av
people agree on this issue much more than our leaders in congress. i mean 74% of nra members and gun owners support having background checks for all gun sales. right now, only 40 -- sorry, 60% of gun sales take place with a background check. so we have huge disagreement there among gun owners, nongun owners, blue states, red states, we need to see that sort of agreement on capitol hill. the people are there, we need to follow the will of the people. >> i do think sometimes there's a tremendous chasm on how guns are viewed in places like chicago, new york and california, how they're viewed in versus how they're viewed in places like i'm from in south carolina, or in rural places like newtown, connecticut. >> i think it's true that there is some disagreement, but what i'm saying is there's also a lot of agreement and a lot of things that we can do which would save a lot of lives, because another thing that we have to do, a massacre like this, causes us all to confront the specter of gun violence that happens every day, often in shootings that don't make the national news. so we need to
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assault weapons. the reverend says he will organize a protest against nra and gun manufacturers in washington next month. meanwhile, public opinion remains mixed. a new "usa today"/gallup poll has, but when it comes to banning assault weapons, 51% are against it, numbers are relatively unchanged from a year ago. reverend al sharpton joins me in studio. great to see you. we have a copy of the paper, as we look at the efforts, what is the strategy to try to curb the gun violence, especially when you team up with commissioner kelly. people may say here's two big city slickers trying to take the guns out of our hands. >> first of all, commissioner kelly and i have agreed. we. so what we wanted to show on christmas day, he came out to the national action network feeds the homeless and seniors and we stood together and said despite or differences, we agree on banning assault weapons, and we agree that there must be gun control, hoping to use that as a model, saying that there must be bipartisan agreement about gun control in washington. if we can get unlikely people to stand together,
first baptist church in pensacola, florida, that are lifetime members of the nra, who went out hunting across northwest florida and alabama and georgia and mississippi, from the time they were 9, 10. jon meacham, you were raised in a similar culture. although you were wearing white gloves during your formative years. i'm sorry. i was struck that the most passionate people that said what you always want to hear, thank you for saying what i wanted to say. thank you for putting into words. they were -- they were, my friends from first baptist church, they were hunters, they were people that said, i'm not going to have somebody -- i'm not going to have extremists take my right to keep and bear a arms, protect my family, and go hunting with my kids. >> i think that's the key word. gun owners who think this through realize that the second amendment culture has bone totally captured by extremists since before really, but i think the marker is when, in 1994, i think, the phrase, jack booted thugs, remember, was used about the atf and people like george h.w. bush and norman schwartzcof resigned
. he worked for the brady campaign. we called the nra hoping to get someone from that organization on tonight they said they're not commenting until more information is thoroughly known in this case. they're putting off any kind of comment. it's obvious. congresswoman, thank you four coming on. i any this must bring it all back. i thought it was great, i said we have to get carolyn mccarthy because her reason to be in public life, to take on the voter, to deal with the public was this issue of the horror that hit your husband. >> and it was. and, you know, it's not funny, but i mean yesterday in my office we sat down to plan what we were going to do for the next term, and i said, listen, i came here in to congress to reduce gun violence, and i said i want to make sure that we go full forward. we have to do something about it. you know, the president's words meant a lot to me today because his tone was different. we have to take this head on and i know that the white house had said earlier that this was not a time to talk about gun violence, and you know what? they're right. it shou
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. pete, the nra not budging on its message from the press briefing that it gave on friday to the appearance on "meet the press" yesterday. their point is that the best issue for the gun control problem is not more regulation, but to have armed officers, trained armed people manning our schools. if past is prologue, where is the nra's next move going forward? >> well, you know, i think that's a good question because past may not be prologue here. the past was that the obama administration saw absolutely no chance of getting this flew congress. president obama when he campaigned for his first term, said he would like to look at reveezing the assault weapons ban. the white house sent some gentle signal early on they might try to do that, and it was instantly clear that they backed away from it. the mere prospect of president obama's being elected caused a huge run on ammunition, police departments were almost running out of it. now many democrats think the situation is different because of newtown and the other mass shootings this year, so i guess we're going to find out whet
>>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to address gun violence in schools with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hooray as time ticks away for procrastinating shoppers. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. >>> and "the hobbit" holds on. >>> very good morning to you. i'm veronica de la cruz. days after the national rifle association's first public comment since the massacre, they're criticizing him for wanting to put armed guards in school. he's sticking to his guns. congress can't do anything about it until next month nbc danielle leigh joins us from washington. good morning. >> reporter: veronica, good morning. as that gun debate heats up, we are also approaching the fiscal cliff. we're talking about uncertainty now on two issues close to american's hearts and across the country people are responding. some spending less this holiday this season as the fiscal cliff nears and others buying guns as that intensifies. fresh off a demand for armed gua
representative ron paul of texas distanced himself on monday from the nra proposal to put more armed guards in our nation's schools and paul said on his website it's another kind of violence. how do you think this conversation can be had logically in the new year if that's the only option that the nra wants to put on the table as a meaningful solution? >> well, i think that tragedy we just heard about in new york is further evidence of the fact that criminals and mad men do pay attention to the gun laws. that man was not supposed to have access to guns yet he did. in response to your conversation you had with my friend jack kingston, we should not be complacent to go to schools to be assassinated ed but the fac we need to protect our children and guns in schools should be decided at the local level but the mad men and criminals, no amount of gun control and restricting access and tightening the gun laws will stop a criminal from doing what he intends to do but putting an armed guard in the school, local schools feel that's the thing to do, we need to protect our children and one way to do
children being killed. >> we have to make that coalition. we have polled gun owners and nra members and found broad support on things like background checks on all gun sales. the american people who are watching and believe that we deserve better than this and deserve a nation that is better and safer, join us at we are better than this.org. you have to keep talking and engage in the process otherwise, we will have the same conversation the next time a mass shooting happens. we can no longer keep repeating it over and over and the same c conversations, because we have to move forward with that and we have to do it together. >> collin, you were shot in 2007, and the tact that we are here in 2012, does it feel like we have failed you? your fellow survivors and those who did not survive that massacre? >> that is a tough question. i feel good about what i am doing today and the the people i am connecting with with, and the progress in capitol hill and ledgislatures across the kun tc. it has been an overwhelming experience, but it is one that is very rewarding. we are trying to take the
. and there's not been out rage. elected officials in congress because we've been duped by an nra who has continued to fear us. guns make money. they are making money off the lives of black and brown children. >> congressman elect jeffreys, you've been appointed to the judiciary committee. and one of the things night before last action network and i went to connecticut because we must reach out and not go and finger point one community is more important than another. we all are in trouble. how do we get the congress to move in the light of this situation that has just happened in connecticut that has been happening in chicago, been happening in new york, as you've worked with us, you remember now, been happening all over this country. how do we get them to move now and not let the holidays take this off of the minds of the american public and therefore, your klicolleagues escape throu the stroke of distraction. >> there's an epidemic of gun violence all across america. it's been increasingly prevalent in suburban communities. it's something that we in the inner city in brooklyn and harlem
the president of the nra will be on with david gregory on "meet the press" so a big weekend to see what the nra plan to do going forward. >> exactly. i'll be on the program, as well. thank you for the plug and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." my colleague tamron hall has a look at when's next. >> hi, andrea. plan "b" basically stands for be real. and house republicans get ready to bring boehner plan to the floor for a vote. senator reid says it's got no chance of passing the senate. what's the possible solution? >>> democratic congressman pass quell and congresswoman swartz will join us. tomorrow, the nra holds that big news conference we have been waiting for. will the organization announce support of gun control legislation? that's the gut check question of the day. the only underarm treatment for low t. that's right, the one you apply to the underarm. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoid contact where axiro
's received a b plus or an a rating from the nra. he tolded philadelphia enquirer he will come back for -- coming out for a new assault weapons ban and legislation banning high round magazines. he said his decision amounted to being summoned by your conscience. he said his wife had pressed him to rethink his position on gun safety in the wake of newtown. he said the power of the weapon, the number of bullets that hit each child, that was so, to me, just so chilling, it haunts me. it should haunt every public official. if those two bills come before the senate i will vote for both. these a risky strong position by bob casey. >> he's not the only one. joe manchin, the senator from west virginia on monday was saying this has changed his thinking. of course, these are two democrats -- >> but manchin hasn't said he will vote for these two bills. bobby casey said he will. it's different to have conversations, another to make a commitment. >> i think there will be more and more lawmakers who will follow what casey has done. i don't think he's the only one and i think we'll start seeing som
was because i have six grand kids that live with me. >> on friday. the president of the nra said this. >> next week. we will be interested in talking about these. and contact us please at that point. we will be willing to talk to anyone on monday. he has been busy running around and spent some time today with cnn. joining me now, we are not afraid to discuss this with anything. the buyback has been something to be hold. and it has been really sat tur ration and the guns have been pouring in. it is a feeling that is different about it this time. this is happening in big cities in la. >> we are already sensitive to it and not in some of the more rural parts of the country. what i think is important is the sensation that is occurring throughout the country. it doesn't mean that it is preventing getting one of those guns. it is clearly happening out there. and karen the drudge report going crazy. jared loughner used handgun and you couldn't write legislation that did not try to take that gun out of jared loughner's hand. we had a weapon that was used. i think he modified his ar 15 to be able to sh
will be putting off. but -- >> the nra says it's not going to work. it didn't work before, it's not going to work now. >> my response is, something has to work. and you know, it is not enough for us to say -- this is too hard, so we're not going to try. so what i intend to do is i will call all the stakeholders together. i will meet with republicans, i will meet with democrats. i will talk to anybody. i think there are a vast majority of responsible gun owners out there who recognize that we can't have a situation in which somebody with severe psychological problems is able to get the kind of high-capacity weapons that this individual in newtown obtained. and gunned down our kids. and yes, it's going to be hard. >> should we have an armed guard at every school in the country? that's what the nra believes. they told me last week, that could work. >> i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem.
of this latest massacre in newtown connecticut, with 26 people being dead and the big majority of nra members in favor of at least starter reforms to our gun laws, the biggest barrier to reforming our laws now may just be the pervasive common wisdom that it's not even worth it to try. modern history defies that common wisdom. but it persists. it persists, maybe. now, the last time we talked on the show about the long, long and long lost modern history and bipart san gun reforms was in the wake of the tucson shooting this past weekend. and in the wake of that shooting, the tucson shooting, this was the general assessment. gun control dead. a nonstarter. shootings unlikely to change laws. don't expect any changes. that was our random survey of the headlines last january after the tucson shootings. at least if you asked the beltway shooting gods. now it seems like the common wisdom may be less certain. look at the headlines now. and it's more like this. debate on gun con trom is revived. lawmakers call for tougher gun laws in wake of new town massacre. gun control debate simmers after sandy hook
morning, the nra would be there every step of the way. every u.s. attorney. violent felon, violent criminal, take them off the street. look, if ever -- >> there's no new gun regulation you would support. >> this is what would work. if every -- >> i'm asking you a direct question. is there any new gun regulation you would be willing to support? >> i'm giving you the answer. >> you're saying we should prosecute more criminals. >> he did not go on to answer the question directly. we do know the answer, the national rifle association does not support any new gun regulations at all, period. end of story. or at least end of the nra's story, the real story of gun violence and some things you probably don't know about it is ahead. there's actually some good news here, or at least promising news, scouts honor. she's still the one for you - you know it even after all these years. but your erectile dysfunction - you know,that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. a
, philadelphia governance. >> we have passed some laws in philadelphia and some have made it past the nra lawsuit. and have been sustained by our pennsylvania supreme court. but states and the federal government, there should be a series of pretty strong policies across the united states of america. and then, either states or local governments can enhance, if he want to, but should never be able to low-ball. the u.s. conference of mayors we advocated three major things. one, there should be an assault weapons' ban across united states. no reason for a civilian to ever have an assault rifle, machine gun, multiclips, and so the second part is the large magazines. >> machine guns are banned. >> fully automatic weapons. >> right. if you're putting out hundreds of rounds, you know, a minute, i heap, i'm not going to get into a debate about semiautomatic or automatic, it's a lot. right? large magazines and the clips, 30, 50, you know, 100 rounds, i mean, that's crazy, too. that's the second. >> the shooter aurora had 100-round drums. >> again, why does in the civilian need that? third, we must fix and
are going to continue to the enablers of violence, namely the nra, which simply represents the gun manufacturers, which are really the merchants of death, to use a phrase from an earlier era. >> congressman jerry nadler of new york, thank you so much for being on the program. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> now to what congress will do the rest of this week, including the cliff negotiations. i'm joined by jonathan weissman of the new york times, great reporter, my colleague on the hill, thank you so much for being here. back to the cliff and guns on nadler, sherman was here saying there is some talk amongst leadership, but i keep beating this like a drum, doesn't seem to be any urgency on capitol hill. >> i was talking to some senators this morning, when are you going to get back into town? oh, you know, maybe tomorrow night we'll kind of come in. president obama will be coming in tomorrow night. doesn't seem the level of urgency that you would think, given that in five, six days these things are going to hit. and i think it's because they really -- i think there's a sense now
, ground zero for the nra but further to the right of gun owners of america. it's a part of our culture. i was raised in a household with guns. my mother later on when she was a widow, had guns. my father was my first hero. and i describe in the piece, i think, for the first time publicly, how he was murdered. and it was not an ak-47. it was not a bushmaster. it was a 22, four bullets to the head. 20 years later, my brother krystofer, we're just a few months apart in age, he was murdered in a remarkably similar fashion. both of them were gun owners. neither of them had an opportunity to defend themselves. they were ambushed. so as a growing person and joining the marine corp, we were taught, everything about weaponry there is. i left the marine corp and have owned a gun nearly every day since. one, because i was a single mother. and with small children in a home and just me and not living in the most desirable neighborhood, i slept near the front door. i was raised in east st. louis and sleeping near the front door was a thank you did. so i did that with a gun under the cushion of the couc
you. i can hear you talking. >> that was a bad moment. >> if i heard the news correctly, the nra disappeared the young staffer. >> unless he was the one who wrote the bayonet joke then maybe there's forgiveness. there was another great moment i thought the president had in the second debate when he did the get the transcript moment. let's watch the president doing that. >> get the transcript. >> he did. >> can you say that louder candy? >> say it louder, candy. >> here is why it was amazing. some news shows, that aren't this news show refused to get the transcript. they called her out for being bias for reading words that happened. some news shows bring on the democrat and the republican. the democrat is like 2 plus 2 equals 4 and the republicans are like 2 plus 2 equals i hate women or something. the newscaster will be like i guess we'll never know. no, you do know. you have computers and staff. google it and tell me which one is right and who is lying. that was a moment where she said he is lying. i think everyone watching was like oh, this is what journalists can do because th
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